DULCE
NEW MEXICO & THE ASHTAR CONNECTION
(The
following is an edited version of a very extensive file
downloaded from the Internet. Some of the highlights/emphasis
are mine. - Branton)
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* Forwarded from "ParaNet UFO Echo"
* Originally from Michael Corbin
* Originally dated 07-04-92 20:17
The
following was uploaded by a user on ParaNet. It is being
provided in its entirety for information purposes only.
ParaNet or its affiliates makes no claims to its truthfulness
or validity and does not endorse its contents in any way.
As
a further note: Under paragraph (3E), it mentions that there
are buildings ... "five-sided with a dome," ParaNet has
seen photographic evidence of such buildings. These buildings
are not buildings as one would think of them, but what appear
to be wilderness observation platforms. The Dulce Report
denies any of these buildings appeared in their investigation.
THE
DULCE REPORT
NUMBER
920527
MAY
27, 1992
A
Field Investigation and Evaluation
A
PHOENIX PROJECT REPORT
The
"Phoenix Project Reports" Are Published By
ADVENT
PUBLISHING COMPANY
P.O.
Box 3748
Carson
City, NV 89702
(Opening
Note: ParaNet has done an investigation into the PHOENIX
organization which put out this report. Contrary to the
claims of the authors of this document, ParaNet HAS FOUND
obvious links between the PHOENIX PROJECT and the PHOENIX
REPORT, an outlet for the ASHTAR Collective. One of the
'leaders' and 'spokesmen' for this collective is a being
that goes by the name of HATONN. Hatonn, according to some
sources, is a 9 ft. 'Pleiadean' with severe fascist leanings
who claims to be a reptilian 'defector' from the Unholy
Six Orion-Draconian Empire. Other sources claim that the
Ashtar Collective -- or at least a large segment of the
collective which was infiltrated and assimilated by Draco-Orion
agents posing as "ascended masters" -- is now in direct
collaboration with the reptilian Grays and the 'Unholy Six'.
In such an event, it would NOT be surprising for the Draco-Orion
controlled segment of the Ashtar network to seek to discredit
a base under Dulce, New Mexico IF IN FACT the base is being
controlled and operated jointly by Draconian AND Ashtarian
forces... for instance the joint Draconian-Ashtarian forces
which, some believe, are operating in conjuction with the
anomalous "Hale-Bopp" comet. Since the original document-chain
in which the 'Dulce Report' appears contains over 140 KB's
and is an obvious smear effort -- for instance throughout
the document you will read passage after passage containing
phrases like "...there is no evidence" for phenomena which
HAVE been confirmed by several other researchers -- I have
decided not to waste valuable space, and have eliminated
the rambling and innocuous sweeping opinionated attempts
on the part of the authors to wipe the entire Dulce issue
under the carpet. I have instead gleaned the information
which may be useful to those who accept the obvious fact
that 'something' is actually going on near Dulce, New Mexico.
Whether it involves top secret government activity OR alien
activity OR both is debatable. The fact is, something strange
IS happening in and around Dulce, New Mexico. - Branton)
The
document begins as follows:
...The
Town of Dulce, is located in northern New Mexico near the
southern border of Colorado. Dulce is located eighty-three
miles northeast of Farmington, New Mexico on U.S. Route
64. See Map Exhibit 1.
It
has a population of 1,648 and is nestled in a valley. Just
to the north and overlooking the town is the large Archuleta
Mesa. The town is at an altitude of 6,825 feet above sea
level. The main income producing activity in the area is
cattle ranching. The business and service activities are
typical of those needed in a community of this size. There
are no military or industrial activities, large or small,
in the area. See Photo Exhibits 4 and 5.
In
order to present the results of our investigation it is
necessary to refer to items of information, widely available
to UFO researchers, concerning the Dulce, U.S.\Alien base.
In the following, we will quote from those items of information.
We will attempt to identify the source whenever possible.
This will be followed by our findings.
The
Investigation
1)
Source Information Excerpts: Dulce Papers.Txt Author Unknown
...A
joint US/EBE facility exists beneath the Archuleta Mesa
near the town of DULCE NEW MEXICO. (1A) This facility has
been in existence in one form or another since 1948.
(1B)
...The facility proper is located one kilometer underground.
(1C)
The base is approximately 2.5 miles northwest of Dulce,
and almost overlooks the town.
(1D)
There is a paved government road 36 feet wide going into
the area.
*
* *
Findings
of Phoenix Project Investigation (PHX) regarding the foregoing:
(PHX-1A)
No substantiating County records confirm this. Local residents
have no memory of any government installation, civilian
or military ever having existed in this area.
(PHX-1B)
Same as 1A. There is no record or memory of any underground
heavy construction, excavation, or mining activity in the
area.
*
* *
2)
Source Information Excerpts: 1988 Krill2.Txt
...During
the occupation of the Greys, they have established quite
a number of underground bases all over the world, especially
in the United States. (2A) One such base [among others in
the same state] is under Archuleta Mesa, which is about
2.5 miles northwest of Dulce, New Mexico.
The
foregoing extract is from a transcript of a conversation
between Jim McCampbell and Dr. Paul Bennewitz on July 13,
1984...
*
* *
3)
Source Information Excerpts: 1988 Krill2.Txt
(3A)
...Bennewitz reports he was able to determine the location
of the underground facility: a kilometer underground beneath
Archuleta Mesa on the Jicarilla Apache Indian Reservation
near Dulce, New Mexico [since 1976, one of the areas of
the U.S. hardest hit by mutilations]. (3B) Bennewitz' information
is that this installation is operated jointly as part of
an on-going program of cooperation between the U.S. government
and the EBEs.
Back
to the base under discussion. After Bennewitz briefed Air
Force officials on what he had found, a trip to the area
revealed the following data:
(3C)
The base is 2.5 miles northwest of Dulce, and almost overlooks
the town. (3D) There is a level highway 36 feet wide going
into the area. It is a government road. (3E) One can see
telemetry trailers and buildings that are five-sided with
a dome. Next to the domes, a black limousine was noted --
a CIA vehicle. (3F) These limos will run you off the road
if you try to get into the area. (3G) To the north there
is a launch site. (3H) There are two wrecked ships there;
they are 36 feet long with wings, and one can see oxygen
and hydrogen tanks. The ships that we got out of the trade
are atomic-powered with plutonium pellets. Refueling of
the plutonium is accomplished at Los Alamos. (3I) The base
has been there since 1948.
Some
of the disks are piloted by the NSA. (3J) The base is 4,000
feet long (3K) and helicopters are going in and out of there
all the time. When it became known that Bennewitz was familiar
with this, the mutilations in the area stopped. (3L) In
1979, something happened and the base was temporarily closed.
There was an argument over weapons and our people were chased
out. The aliens killed 66 of our people, and 44 got away.
(Side Note: Christa Tilton claims that the government activity
at Dulce may no longer be present, as there are signs that
the upper levels have been de-activated, at least in regards
to human government activity. Sightings of Greys atop the
Archuleta mesa HAVE been reported by Jicarilla Apache Indians
as of the early 1990's. Such reports have made their way
to Christa Tilton, suggesting that even if the 'government'
activity at Dulce has ceased, the Greys/Reptiloids are apparently
still operating there en masse and very active within the
base, and are continuing on with their former agendas. -
Branton)
One
of the people who in fact got away was a CIA agent who,
before leaving, made some notes, photos, and videotapes,
and went into hiding. He has been in hiding ever since,
and every six months he contacts each of five people he
left copies of the material with. His instructions were
that if he missed four successive contacts, the people could
do whatever they want with the material. [The material]
was received in December, 1987, by many researchers. The
"Dulce Papers" were composed of 25 black and white photos,
a videotape with no dialogue and a set of papers that included
technical information regarding the jointly occupied [CIA-Alien]
facility one kilometer beneath the Archuleta Mesa near Dulce,
New Mexico. (3M) The facility still exists and is currently
operational.
*
* *
Findings:
(I've deleted SEVERAL paragraphs which basically state --
in the most technical sounding terminology the authors could
conjure -- that ALL of the above "doesn't exist". - Branton)...
*
* *
4)
Source Information Excerpts: "PROJECT BETA" BY DR. PAUL
BENNEWITZ
(4A)...numerous
road blocks extend northward. (4B) Maintained road some
thirty feet wide and servicing facilities, tanks, etc. There
is also an apparent foundation for another helo pad______
(4C)
human housing, and another black limousine with tracks leading
to it west of the road.
...The
total alien basing area apparently contains several cultures,
[all under the designation 'UNITY'] (4D) and is approx 3km
wide by 8km long and is located in the middle of nowhere
on the Jicarilla Indian Reservation west of Dulce, NM. ...Based
on the number of ships presently in this area, the total
alien population is estimated to be at least 2,000 and most
likely MORE. (The former self-professed Dulce base Security
Officer Thomas C. Castello stated that there were over 18,000
Greys based under Dulce while he was there. - Branton)
----- Logistical plans -----
...initial
logistics would indicate a plan sequentially implemented
as follows: This plan does not include all requirements
and preparatory safety measures to be employed by the ground
force; however, if Air Force Intelligence desires to pursue
the approaches suggested in this report, each significant
requirement will be discussed in depth.
(4E)
The attack must be directed almost entirely on the ground
since vehicle ignition problems will be encountered. All
electrical and electronic equipment must be 'hardened' using
specific techniques perfected prior to implementation. This
information has been checked by interaction and eavesdropping
on their communication channels _______ as far as weaknesses
are concerned. The program would be instigated in phases:
(4F)
1) The first procedure would be to close the gates of the
dam above the Navajo River. This dam could be held closed
for the duration. Internal to the one cave, there is a small
dam for water storage. Its capacity is small.
(4G)
There is also a discharge outlet downstream that could be
closed, causing waste water to back up into the caves. The
water is vacuum pumped apparently by some electrostatic
means from the river. (4H) There is a water intake and dam
upstream that can be totally cut off and the water re-routed
to Chama, New Mexico.
*
* *
Findings:
(refer to last note... MUCH MORE of the same innocuous and
rambling evasiveness. However if you really ARE determined
to see the entire file, I suppose you could log-on to PARANET
via the Internet and access it. - Branton)...
*
* *
5)
Source Information Excerpt Thisisit.Txt Wm. C. Cooper
...The
alien underground base is located beneath an indian reservation
near the small town of Dulce, New Mexico...
*
* *
Findings:
All
of the previous 'Findings' apply to this source information...
*
* *
Signed,
The
Phoenix Project
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Michael,
Didn't
Bill Moore get tangled up in this situation? Didn't this
whole episode cause Paul Bennewitz to have a nervous breakdown?
Do you have any further documentation on this aspect of
the investigation? I for one would like to find out where
some [if not all] of the disinformation came from. Are there
any other investigations "The Phoenix Project" is working
on?
Thanks,
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Dear Michael:
>
I read all of the information that you posted and appreciated
your
>
work and the work of the Phoenix Report but I don't believe
it. It
>
doesn't add up to me and I won't explain why. You may be
right
>
and I'm wrong. I hope I am wrong in this case. That's all
folks.
>
John Winston.
First,
that was not my work, nor did I have anything to do with
it. Someone uploaded that material to ParaNet and I simply
reposted it with permission. I have found numerous problems
with it myself and, although I do not necessarily believe
that something is happening at Dulce, I think that the Phoenix
material is just more disinformation...
Mike
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* Forwarded from "ParaNet UFO Echo"
* Originally from ParaNet(sm) Information Service
* Originally dated 07-12-92 22:01
Recently
we published two reports generated by the Phoenix Project,
a group in Carson City, Nevada. These two documents allege
that members of this group investigated reports of underground
alien bases in Dulce, New Mexico, and an underground alien
base located in the Plumas National Forest in Northern California.
(Note: Basically their investigation 'proved' that the Dulce
base did NOT exist, but that the 'K2' UFO base in California
DID! Why do I get the feeling that IF the K2 base DOES in
fact exist, then we should not be too concerned about it?
Could it be that there is an actual alien force based in
the Plumes National Forest that is CONTESTING the activities
at Dulce? Just remember that for every visible conflict,
there is often an invisible conflict taking place behind
the scenes. Often the 'pawns' cannot see who the real "chess
players" are. - Branton)
Because
of the following findings/reasons, ParaNet has assigned
a high level of probability that the material contained
in the documents is disinformation and is inaccurate.
The
reasons are as follows:
1)
The Phoenix Project is unknown to the general UFO research
community. No where in any of the materials are the principals
of the organization identified. As is the case with any
materials where substantive findings are reported, it demonstrates
a strong lack of credibility when the names and addresses
of the investigators are not provided.
2)
Due to an investigation that has been ongoing, we have found
that the material on Dulce is inaccurate. It is interesting
that the Dulce report denies that ANYTHING exists at Dulce.
Although we have found no information to the contrary, we
feel that the report from the Phoenix Project is inaccurate
as to location of buildings and other factors. There are
things down there which ARE unusual.
3)
The K2 material is too ambiguous and does not provide enough
reliable data bits to launch an investigation into the claims.
It appears that although the report is written with some
literary license, the findings are presented in a very unscientific
fashion.
ParaNet
will provide a complete report of its investigation into
the various other claims contained in the reports as soon
as the information is available. We have written to the
Phoenix Project requesting further information.
In
the meantime, we urge caution in the use of this material.
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Over
the last few days we have been posting information supplied
by the Phoenix Project of Carson City, Nevada. This information
has been strongly disclaimed by ParaNet pending the results
of our investigation to determine the validity of the Phoenix
Project and its officers.
While
the investigation is still ongoing, we have found some highly
disturbing things relating to credibility of the group.
This information will be reported as soon as the investigation
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A
few weeks ago, ParaNet received on-line copies of several
documents which purported to come from a previously unknown
organization called "The Phoenix Project". The project is
described in the documents as a "private, civilian, research
organization" which was "formed in 1952 to investigate and
correlate information" concerning UFOs and ETs. According
to the information contained in the documents, for a small
price one can receive printed copies of the project's reports,
complete with maps, magnetometer readings, and a host of
other supporting charts and diagrams which serve to make
the whole endeavor look scientific and legitimate.
The
documents we received were formulated as investigative reports
on two of the hottest and most controversial issues within
the UFO research community: the underground alien bases
which are said to exist at numerous locations around the
United States, and the cluster of alleged UFO-related projects
sometimes referred to collectively as "Operation Majestic
Twelve". Specifically, the material consisted of three separate
documents:
(1)
"The Ultimate Secret", originally dated 4 August 1989 and
revised most recently 5 May 1992, purporting to lay bare
the inner workings of the government's secret UFO projects,
including the recovery of alien technology and bodies from
crashed UFOs, the exploitation of this technology by a number
of code-named government projects, and the involvement of
NASA and the SDI program in preparing for CONFLICT with
alien INVADERS;
(2)
"The Dulce Report", dated 27 May 1992, describing an on-site
investigation of the Dulce and Archuleta Mesa area in New
Mexico, which purportedly proved beyond any doubt that there
is nothing there of any interest to UFO researchers despite
PERSISTENT reports to the contrary; and
(3)
"The K-2 Report", originally dated 28 July 1989 and revised
27 June 1992, which purports to document the discovery of
a genuine "secret alien base" in the Pilot Peak area of
Plumas County, California.
ParaNet
quickly reviewed this material and posted it in its entirety
for our subscribers, pursuant to the permissions attached
to the material by the publisher. We also posted a preliminary
evaluation which warned that the material might contain
inaccuracies or deliberate disinformation. This evaluation
was based on a number of factors:
(1)
much of the information in "The Ultimate Secret" about Operation
Majestic Twelve and associated projects is clearly related
to, and probably derived from, earlier material which has
been dismissed as worthless by almost all reputable UFO
researchers;
(2)
much of the information in "The Dulce Report" about Dulce
and the Archuleta Mesa contradicts information already provided
to ParaNet by other capable investigators;
(3)
some of the information in "The K-2 Report" is intrinsically
implausible [although, admittedly, not impossible], such
as the claim that a seasoned military intelligence operative
'forgot' his camera when rushing to document a UFO landing
site, or that by the next day that same landing site had
been re-sodded by the aliens to obliterate all the evidence.
ParaNet
received the three documents as uploads from a Mr. Jack
L. Mathias of Carson City, Nevada, who represented himself
as the sole public spokesman for the Project. But the reports
themselves name neither the authors of the documents nor
the principals of the Phoenix Project. Instead, they cryptically
state that they are the work of "former military personnel
who have all been associated with intelligence activities,
and have knowledge of covert government operations concerning
UFO's" (AND also 'disinformation' projects? - Branton).
Given the sorry history of anonymous documents and 'former'
government agents in the UFO community, ParaNet felt it
necessary to start its own investigation in an effort to
determine just who was behind the Phoenix Project and what
their motives might be.
First
we sent a letter to the post office box listed in the documents,
asking for further information about the group; but the
letter was not answered. We corresponded by electronic mail
with Mr. Mathias, who represents himself as an agent for
the group, but he refused to provide any of the information
we requested. So much for the direct approach.
Each
document formally states that the Phoenix Project logo is
a registered trademark [presumably in the state of Nevada,
since that is where their mailing address is located], so
we tried a query to the Nevada trademark office in Carson
City. That office informed us that the state of Nevada has
NO record of any current trademarks under the "Phoenix Project"
name. They did say that articles of incorporation were filed
under the name of the Phoenix Project on 25 August 1988
by a Mr. Thomas Naylor of Las Vegas, Nevada. However, the
corporation failed to file the names and addresses of its
officers by 1 July 1989 as required by Nevada law, as a
result of which the incorporation was revoked by the Nevada
Secretary of State. And so we reached another apparent dead
end, except for one bit of trivia uncovered by a ParaNet
investigator in Las Vegas: An attorney named Thomas C. Naylor
had recently moved into an office building at 2810 West
Charleston in Las Vegas.
Next
we contacted the U.S. Postal Service in Carson City, Nevada
to determine the box holder for the Phoenix Project's publisher,
Advent Publishing Company. We were told that the box was
registered to a Richard T. Miller, whose address was given
as a mobile-home park in Carson City. Following this, we
contacted the Clerk and Recorder's office in Carson City,
and determined that a Richard Miller is listed with them
as the legal owner of Advent Publishing. However, the telephone
number they gave us for Mr. Miller has been disconnected,
and directory assistance was unable to provide a new one.
Another brick wall.
To
this point, all attempts to verify the Phoenix Project's
legitimacy using conventional methods had proved futile,
so we decided to try a different approach. The Phoenix Project
explicitly and emphatically disclaims affiliation with any
other groups using the name 'Phoenix'. And just to make
sure everyone gets the message, each document states at
the beginning that "[i]n particular, there is no affiliation
with a publisher known as America West, any of its publications,
or the individuals known as George and Desiree Green" (Note:
one source has informed us that George Green has ties to
the CIA. However, this source was not able to confirm this
claim, and so it should be taken only as a 'possibility'.
- Branton). Unfortunately, ParaNet has uncovered evidence
that these disclaimers may be intended to conceal rather
than to illuminate.
America
West, it turns out, is the publisher of a magazine called
the Phoenix Liberator, which carries large quantities of
channeled material alleged to originate with an entity from
the Pleiades known as 'Hatonn'. The Phoenix Liberator has
come under fire recently from some in the UFO community
as anti-Semitic and neo-fascist. [See, for example, "Hatonn's
World: A Neo-Nazi ET?" by Don Ecker in the July/August 1992
issue of UFO Magazine.] (Note: According to the video 'SECRETS
OF THE THIRD REICH' -- available via Vladimir Terziski,
President, American Academy of Dissident Sciences, 10970
Ashton Ave. #310, Los Angeles, CA 90024, phone and fax:
USA-(310)-473-9717 -- the Nazi Thule society not only 'channeled'
the Ashtar forces, but had developed several aerial disc
designs, photographs of which are depicted in the film.
One disc type was the 'Adamski' model. Whether Adamski's
contacts were actually 'Nazis' masquerading as 'Venusians',
or whether the Nazi's had somehow gained access to a Venusian-Pleiadean
scout ship is not clear at this time, however John Lear
has stated that a small renegade 'Pleiadean' faction in
Aldebaran which had sold itself over to the Ashtarian-Draconian
agenda, had intentionally 'crashed' one of their ships --
loaded to the hilt with high-tech equipment -- so that they
could get the technology to their Germanic/Bavarian allies
while at the same time making an effort to seemingly by-pass
the established non-intervention laws of the Saturnian-Lyran-Pleiadean-Andromedan
'Federation'. Lear also claims that this Pleiadean-Ashtarian
faction also wanted Germany to initiate a war which hopefully
would reduce the population of the planet to a point where
the Ashtar/Gizeh alliance or collective could establish
more influence with less resistance in the international
affairs of planet earth... this collaboration with the Bavarians
also being motivated by certain extremist Interventionist
and RACIST factions from Lyra and Aldebaran who were intent
on making their 'Aryan' brothers on earth the dominant race.
- Branton). But 'Hatonn' and his defenders vehemently deny
the charge [of being 'Nazis'], and the whole affair has
been widely and rather nastily trumpeted both on the net
and in print.
It
seems that until recently America West Publishers and the
Phoenix Liberator were operated out of TEHACHAPI, California
(Which, according to many investigative sources, is a MAJOR
center for collaborative alien and military-industrial activity
- Branton). But a few days ago one of ParaNet's subscribers
uploaded a response from 'Hatonn' to Don Ecker, which he
said he had pulled down from the Phoenix Liberator BBS;
and with it he posted a new address for the Liberator. That
address was all too familiar: 2810 West Charleston Boulevard,
Las Vegas, Nevada -- THE SAME BUILDING, it seems, where
an attorney named Thomas Naylor also has his new office.
And
then another strange coincidence: A posting coming across
the Internet stated that before 'Hatonn' channeled through
his current host, he used to convey his messages through
a Mr. RICHARD MILLER, who started an organization which
was known as the Solar Cross and which was apparently a
forerunner of the Phoenix Liberator (Note: These 'channeled'
messages are apparently recieved through psionic beams from
hovering craft which interact with micro-electronic implants
that have been placed in various individuals who have been
'connected' to the Ashtar collective in this manner. - Branton).
Is this the same RICHARD MILLER who owns the Phoenix Project's
publisher, Advent Publishing Company?
We
do not yet know if the THOMAS NAYLOR who tried to incorporate
the Phoenix Project is the same THOMAS NAYLOR who apparently
SHARES 2810 West Charleston with the new offices of the
Phoenix Liberator. We do not yet know if the RICHARD MILLER
who owns Advent Publishing is the same RICHARD MILLER who
reportedly once channeled 'Hatonn'. In short, we do not
yet know if the Phoenix Project is truly an independent
organization, or merely another incarnation of America West
Publishers and the Phoenix Liberator. But the coincidences
are certainly striking and suggestive. And in light of this
we again urge extreme caution in dealing with the Phoenix
Project material, until such time as a definitive assessment
of the Project's motives and reliability can be made.
ParaNet
will keep you advised of our findings as they become available.
If you have any information about the Phoenix Project, especially
regarding its possible relationship with the Phoenix Liberator
or America West Publishers, please send it to Michael Corbin
by Internet mail to mcorbin@paranet.org; by Fidonet to 1:104/422;
by U.S. Mail to P.O. Box 172, Wheat Ridge, CO 80034-0172;
or by phone at 303-431-8796.
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Subject:
Our Response to Phoenix Project
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* Forwarded from "ParaNet UFO Echo"
* Originally from ParaNet Information Service
* Originally dated 08-20-92 13:23
On
6 August 1992, ParaNet Information Service posted a preliminary
statement on our investigation into an organization known
as the Phoenix Project, which had recently released "investigative
reports" entitled "The Dulce Report", "The K-2 Report",
and "The Ultimate Secret". In our statement we pointed out
some apparent problems with all three Phoenix Project reports,
as well as some suspicious aspects of the Project's organization
itself. In our conclusion, we issued a warning not to take
the Phoenix Project reports at face value, pending further
investigation.
On
10 August 1992, Jack Mathias of the Phoenix Project responded
in a long, rambling message posted to a number of bulletin
boards and news groups. Unfortunately, rather than dealing
with the substantive issues raised in our previous postings
regarding the project and its publications, Mr. Mathias's
statement consisted mostly of ad-hominem attacks impugning
the motives, integrity, and competence of ParaNet's officers
and investigators. Here is some typical language excerpted
from the Phoenix Project statement:
"
... you blew it ..."
"
... a snap judgement without examining the evidence ..."
"
... your spontaneous and instant negative reaction ..."
"
... your attitude problem ..."
"
... you abused your position of trust and responsibility
..."
"
... inexcusable ... a new record for prejudice ..."
"
... you've just won the Golden Fleece Award ..."
"
... outstanding ineptness ..."
"
... amateur sleuthing ..."
"
... self-centered ..."
"
... lacking any real expertise ..."
"
... seated upon your starry throne ..."
"
... elected yourself to be the final arbiter of the truth
..."
"
... Judge, Jury, and Executioner ..."
"
... Kangaroo Court Proceeding of your own fashioning ..."
"
... arm-chair expertise ..."
"
... laughable ..."
Following
paragraph after paragraph of this kind of personal invective,
Mr. Mathias then suggests that:
PP>
In our opinion, the public deserves the truth regarding
the real
PP>
story of UFO's, government involvement and the Alien threat.
PP>
That should be our objective. ... Perhaps you'll agree that,
that
PP>
objective is more productive than entertaining the public
via the
PP>
BBS links with a side-show of petty squabbles and bickering
PP>
between individuals and organizations.
This
is a noble sentiment, and one which we at ParaNet wholeheartedly
agree with. Hopefully in the future the Phoenix Project's
representatives will take some of their own advice and try
to keep the rhetoric down to a more civilized level.
Having
said that, let's look at the actual issues raised by this
latest salvo from the Phoenix Project, and see how they
stack up.
PP>
Let us review the facts. You reacted by issuing a public
warning
PP>
to the members of ParaNet, which was also widely distributed
via
PP>
other BBS's nation-wide. That warning contained language
which
PP>
implied the information, and the source, were highly suspect.
PP>
Thus, single-handedly, you created a strong impression throughout
PP>
the UFO community, that our information was false. Many
sincere
PP>
people, trusting your qualifications, accepted your warning.
True.
PP>
You took it upon yourself to make a snap judgement without
PP>
examining the evidence.
False.
We did not arrive at our conclusion single-handedly or instantaneously.
Our analysis and the resulting warning were the products
of considerable discussion among ParaNet's researchers and
subscribers. They were also labeled as tentative, pending
further investigation.
PP>
In your message, you mention that you wrote to the Phoenix
Project,
PP>
after the fact and your preliminary judgement, requesting
further
PP>
information. You made the same comment in other BBS messages.
PP>
You state that we did not respond to your request. You also
imply,
PP>
by insinuation, that this is a mark against us and a further
indication
PP>
that we are suspect. ... To date we have not received your
letter of
PP>
inquiry. Apparently, of all the mail we receive, your letter
is the
PP>
only one that has gone astray. We can only conclude that
it was either
PP>
lost in the mail or you didn't mail it. Did it ever occur
to you to
PP>
mail us a second request, when you did not receive a response
to your
PP>
first inquiry?
The
letter was followed up with electronic mail to the Project's
spokesman, Jack Mathias. The request for information was
repeated through that channel. The request was refused.
PP>
But, this was not the end of your attitude problem regarding
the
PP>
Phoenix Project. You did the same thing, again, issuing
warnings,
PP>
etc., with our release of the K-2 and the Ultimate Secret
Reports.
PP>
And, again, you had not seen or examined the supporting
documents
PP>
at the time you issued those warnings to ParaNet and the
public.
We
have already stated our reasons for suspecting the 'K-2'
and "Ultimate Secret" reports. As with the 'Dulce' report,
our suspicions went to the core of the entire concept and
execution of both reports; consequently, it seemed unlikely
that the "supporting documents" would make much difference.
Our judgement in this matter was borne out when we received
the "supporting documents" from another source. We were
not impressed.
PP>
Would we be out of line in concluding that your mind was
already
PP>
made-up?
Yes,
that would be out of line, since our minds were not and
in fact are not yet entirely made up. Our warnings were
tentative, and in our view totally justified. So far we
have not been provided with any evidence to the contrary.
If such evidence is provided, we will not only change our
minds but say so publicly.
PP>
Fortunately, for the UFO Movement, other investigators and
PP>
researchers don't share your opinion.
That's
not the feedback we've been getting.
PP>
You state in your initial message that "much of the information
PP>
in the Dulce Report about Dulce and the Archuleta Mesa contradicts
PP>
information already provided to ParaNet by other capable
PP>
investigators." What information? Who provided it? How did
PP>
you determine its validity?
Our
information consists of the testimony of ParaNet investigators
and others who have been in Dulce and on the Mesa. Their
experiences were very different from what you describe,
and it is difficult to reconcile your claims with the findings
of our own people.
PP>
We formally request access to that information. We'd like
to
PP>
examine it ourselves. Can we obtain copies of 'that' information?
Our
investigation continues, and the information will be made
public when it is complete. At that time we will be glad
to provide you with a complimentary copy of our report.
PP>
Now, let us get to the main thrust of your message - your
PP>
investigation to reveal the personnel of the Phoenix Project.
PP>
PP>
[several paragraphs of meaningless abuse deleted]
PP>
PP>
What, if anything, is the Phoenix Project guilty of? Is
it
PP>
the fact that we dared to question and investigate two of
the
PP>
sacred cows of UFO-dom namely the ones you mentioned, i.e.,
PP>
"underground alien bases, and the cluster of government
projects
PP>
referred to collectively as Operation Majestic Twelve?"
<Continued
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Subject:
Phoenix Response - Part 2
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* Originally dated 08-20-92 13:23
<..Continued
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No.
ParaNet has long questioned both of those sacred cows. To
this point we have seen no acceptable PROOF for the existence
of any underground alien base near Dulce, nor have we seen
adequate proof for the existence of "Operation Majestic
Twelve". We have publicly stated as much on many occasions.
(Note: I personally believe that there is much 'evidence'
for underground activity near Dulce. As for 'proof' -- along
the line of a Network video crew broadcasting a Live Special
Report from inside the Dulce underground labs or something
of the sort -- admittedly that kind of 'proof' is yet to
be forthcoming. - Branton)
PP>
According to our sources within the intelligence community,
the
PP>
Dulce Scam, perpetrated by the disinformation specialists
of MAJI,
PP>
better known to you as Majestic Twelve with help from the
CIA and
PP>
NSA, is considered one of their most brilliant success stories.
But,
of course, these 'sources' cannot be named, and all we have
to go on is your word that they even exist. And, unfortunately,
you are making a concerted effort to keep anyone from knowing
who *you* are, either. Anonymous stories relayed by anonymous
story tellers. Sorry, but that's not 'evidence'.
PP>
We sent in experienced investigators, not amateurs, to check
out
PP>
the alleged Dulce Base. Those people knew what to look for,
how
PP>
to look for it, how to get answers, and are not easily mislead.
We
have no evidence for this except your say-so.
PP>
If you do not agree with our findings, get off your posterior,
go
PP>
to Dulce, and check it out for yourself.
We
have.
PP>
In fact, we invite anybody to do the same thing. We're sure
you'll
PP>
find exactly what we did ...
We
didn't.
PP>
You imply that you're good at asking questions -- how are
you
PP>
at answering them? We have a few questions ... Would you
mind
PP>
sharing with all of us, everyone on the BBS's and the public,
what
PP>
hard evidence you have that, without question, supports
the presence
PP>
and validity of the Dulce Base.
Would
you mind sharing what hard evidence you have that we ever
said anything of the kind? We have never said anything in
support of the presence of a secret alien base at Dulce.
In point of fact, we consider it extremely unlikely that
any such base exists -- at Dulce or anywhere else. That's
one of the reasons we have so much trouble with your 'K-2'
report, which purports to document the existence of just
such a base in California.
PP>
Unless you have irrefutable evidence to present, made available
PP>
for public scrutiny and evaluation, which invalidates the
findings
PP>
of the Phoenix Project regarding Dulce, K-2, or the Ultimate
Secret,
PP>
or our future reports, back off. Either put-up or shut-up.
In other
PP>
words, get off our back.
All
right, challenge accepted. Let's start with this statement
from your "Ultimate Secret" report:
PP>
According to eye-witness testimony, the CIA agent
PP>
in charge of this covert operation, wearing the
PP>
uniform of an AF Colonel, was William C. Cooper. ...
PP>
This witness testifies that this is the same William C.
PP>
Cooper, who has been prominent since 1988 in the
PP>
civilian UFO movement.
Is
this "William C. Cooper" supposed to be the famous Bill
Cooper we have all come to know so well? Apparently so.
Unfortunately, in his own published documents Bill Cooper
gives his full name as "Milton William Cooper", not "William
C. Cooper". Either Cooper doesn't know his own name, or
the Phoenix Project's "eye witness" doesn't know what he's
talking about.
And
while we're on the subject of Bill Cooper, it is instructive
to compare some of the text of the Phoenix Project's "Ultimate
Secret" document with some of Bill Cooper's material on
the same subject. Cooper writes in his "Operation Majority
-- Final Release":
BC>
[Project Grudge] was financed by CIA confidential funds
BC>
[nonappropriated] and money from the illicit drug trade
...
BC>
The purpose of Project Grudge was to collect all scientific,
BC>
technological, medical and intelligence information from
BC>
UFO/IAC sightings and contacts with alien life forms. This
BC>
orderly file of collected information has been used to advance
BC>
the United States Space Program.
Now
look at the corresponding paragraph of the Phoenix Project's
"Ultimate Secret" report:
PP>
Project Aquarius was funded by CIA confidential funds
PP>
[non-appropriated] ... The purpose of Project Aquarius
PP>
was to collect all scientific, technological, medical
PP>
and intelligence information from UFO/IAC sightings and
PP>
contacts with alien lifeforms. This orderly file of collected
PP>
information has been used to advance the United States'
PP>
Space Program and provided the data needed to develop
PP>
present stealth technology.
You
don't have to be an intelligence agent to see that these
two passages are virtually identical in both content and
phrasing. Since Cooper's statement is dated 10 January 1989,
more than half a year before the "Ultimate Secret" report's
'origination' date of 4 August 1989, we seem to be left
with three possibilities: (1) Cooper was somehow privy to
the Phoenix Project's investigative results even before
they were first put to paper; or, (2) the Phoenix Project
plagiarized Cooper's writings; or (3) the Phoenix Project's
own investigations drew on the same [original] sources as
Cooper apparently did in compiling his own materials. Whichever
one you pick, it's not a pretty picture.
But
it gets worse:
PP>
The basic information revealing the existence of
PP>
Operation Majestic-12, the crashed UFOs, alien beings,
PP>
and their secret bases within the United States, was
PP>
obtained through the Freedom of Information Act from the
PP>
files of the CIA, NSA, FBI, State Department, the U.S.
PP>
Air Force.
This
is utter nonsense, as any perusal of published FOIA documents
on UFOs would quickly reveal. FOIA requests have forced
the government to disgorge many hundreds of pages of UFO
documents over the years, but they provide little if any
support for the existence of Operation Majestic Twelve,
crashed saucers, alien beings, or secret bases. If the Phoenix
Project is relying on already published documents as their
source for this claim [e.g., "The UFO Cover-UP" by Lawrence
Fawcett and Barry Green-wood, or "Above Top Secret" by Timothy
Good], then clearly they have not examined them very carefully.
On the other hand, if the project really does have such
explosive FOIA documents in its possession, let's see them;
their publication would do more to establish the project's
credibility than anything else it could possibly do short
of producing a live alien.
PP>
PROJECT GRUDGE: This project was originally
PP>
established in 1953, by order of President Eisenhower
PP>
and is under the control of the CIA, NSA, and MAJI.
PP>
Project Grudge went underground and another project,
PP>
Project Sign, was established as a cover operation.
PP>
In 1960, the Project's name was changed from Project
PP>
SIGN to Project Bluebook.
This
is demonstrably and totally wrong. Project Sign was established
first, in 1947, and it was under the control of the Air
Force, not the CIA. The name was changed to Project Grudge
in 1949, and to Blue Book in 1952 -- not 1960. [For details,
see "The Report on Unidentified Flying Objects" by Edward
J. Ruppelt, who headed the project from 1951 to 1953.] The
exact dates slide around a little bit depending on whether
you're talking about when the decision was made, when the
order was signed, or when the order became effective; but
the differences are on the order of months, not decades!
How could the Phoenix Project's experienced intelligence
agents make so many ludicrous errors in a single paragraph?
<Concluded
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Subject:
Phoenix Response - Conclusion
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<<..Continued
from previous message>>
In
fact, this whole business was such an embarrassing mess
that the Phoenix Project issued a 'correction' document
to try to straighten it out. But, ironically, the correction
is also wrong -- just less obviously so.
We
could go on, but I think you get the point. The "Ultimate
Secret" report is, at best, a rehash of other people's garbage.
At worst, it is a deliberate effort to confuse and disinform.
PP>
We actively encourage other serious investigators to use
the
PP>
information we have provided as a basis for conducting their
PP>
own inquiry and to carry-on our effort. Can you, Mr. Corbin,
PP>
or ParaNet, or Mufon, make the same claim. Or, is it true
that
PP>
the results of critical investigations are held sacred by
the
PP>
elite leadership of these organizations, and are not shared
with
PP>
the member's of their organizations or the public?
We
can't speak for other organizations, but in the case of
ParaNet we have always made our results public as soon as
our investigations are complete.
PP>
In your message, you insinuate that because of our past
military
PP>
and intelligence backgrounds, our area of expertise so-to-speak,
PP>
that the motives of the Phoenix Project are suspect. You
further
PP>
insinuate that we are possibly government operatives attempting
PP>
to send serious researchers off on a variety of wild goose
chases.
Given
the prior history of government disinformation in ufology,
most of it purveyed by active or former intelligence agents
and their victims, anyone who (1) purports to have a military
intelligence background, (2) refuses to divulge their identity,
and (3) propagates known disinformation as reliable intelligence
[whether deliberately or not] should expect his motives
to be considered suspect until proven otherwise. It is extremely
naive of you to think it would happen any other way.
PP>
If anyone needed assurance that the truth regarding UFO's
PP>
will remain a deep, dark, secret -- they can rest secure
in
PP>
the knowledge that you, are on the job. There are any number
PP>
of government agencies who would welcome you with open arms.
PP>
Expect some offers.
Sorry,
none so far. We'll let you know if we get any.
PP>
We are sure that the honest and sincere members of ParaNet
and
PP>
other UFO investigative organizations [and there are many]
must
PP>
be seriously considering whether your qualifications, fitness
and
PP>
investigative ability warrant your continuance in a position
of
PP>
leadership within what used to be a respected research organization.
(Note:
In my own experience with misiformation, disinformation
and dubunker 'agents', very little effort is made to address
the information at hand or rationally explain-away information,
claims or data tha
